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Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 2:03 pm
by IndyCoach
don't think I am trying to say that you should "lock" your bottom arm out, nor that it is the only way to stay behind the pole. Just that once in the air your postion should be with a rather (not locked) straight arm. But once again, this will vary to the vualters ability to stay rigid and behind the pole. I totally agree that full extension and a rigid body are more important than a minor amount of bend in the bottom arm. One thing I think we can all agree on is the comment on the top hand and that this arm should remain straight and tall.

Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 2:21 pm
by master
rizlab wrote:... all the national vaulters i have seen dont do this collapsed arm business, you've lost the majority of your energy you put in running...

Please take a look at the images at this site and tell me what you see. (Sorry I can't give you a single click to the images.)
http://stabhochsprung.com/
Then look for the section marked "12.02.2006 Donetsk/UKR". In that section look for the line "491 - Isinbjeva, Yelena". In that line, click on the link "Reihe". While you are at that site, check out some of the other "Reihe" links of jumps of vaulters.

Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 3:05 pm
by Mecham
How many people here have really seen Bubka Jump? look at his 6.11 jump on stabhoch. During the take off he does not have a straight left arm. (if you click on Serie like Master said, I am talking about the 1st picture on the second row.) If you took that exact position he is in, and adjusted it so his left arm would be straight up, the pole would be bent more. The pole would be bent earlier, and because of that the pole would recoil earlier too. also he is more powerfull at take off. He is aligned. His shoulders are square and he is ready to vault. A straight left arm (right arm for you lefties) Isnt in the 6.40 model. make note that the amount of what you say "collapsing" can be different. Bubka's changes over time. Just watch, its not hard to see.

Re: Rowing the hands?

Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 8:39 pm
by advath
If you do the swinging Bubka drill correctly your shoulders will stay in front of the hands.

Re: Rowing the hands?

Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 8:55 pm
by advath
Here's what I have to say about "rowing" http://www.advantageathletics.com/polevault/row.htm

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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 9:20 pm
by altius
AVC Coach wrote:I don't buy into the "rowing" theory either. It only makes since to swing your hips toward your hands and not your hands toward your hips.


I agree. I have never mentioned rowing or anything that might be construed as rowing to my athletes. We simply worked hard on the high bar to learn to accelerate the lower body -through the active drive of the right knee (sorry lefties) and a very aggressive kick swing of the left leg. Having put a lot of energy into the system we then asked our athletes to 'break' at the hips to shorten the radius of rotation and then connect the swinging lower body to the pelvis - so the energy of the swing is transferred there so that it rotates above the shoulders. This must be nonconscious because there is no time to think about anything - including rowing - after you leave the ground in a competition vault.

So this must all be done in drills - and then - in our system -practiced off six steps - three lefts = on a stiff pole over the bar - gradually pushing the height up. It is important for the brain/body to have a very clear idea of what it is expected to do in this phase - presenting it with the task of getting over a bar clarifies the problem - but athletes must always maintain the swinging left leg STRAIGHT until it is over the head - not flexed as is shown in the middle photo of the high bar exercise above.

It is important for beginners to note that like everything else in sport the key is lots of practice - there are no 'magical secrets or cues that will enable you to invert -especially if you have a poor run, plant and take off!

Incidentally the drill where you lie on your back on the ground and roll your hips over your head - is an absolute waste of time. IMHO of course.

Re: Rowing the hands?

Posted: Sun May 27, 2012 5:48 pm
by Jungm1420
There are several opinions about rowing of course. I was taught that it doesnt really help you invert. All it does is to help move the pole to vertical to get on bigger poles. At take off you achieve prestretch when it is done correctly. Then you should drive your top hand forward towards the pit- therefore pushing the pole towards vertical. Also this starts the swinging motion. It is to help move the pole to vertical. Your top hand (right hand for right handed vaulter and vise versa) should start straight above your head and as you take off stretch behind your head while still straight and then phsh back to straight above your head (while still being straight).