40 time vs. meters per second.

[achtungpv]

A key phrase I made is controllable. Just cause you can run 11 m/s should you? NO, unless you can handle it.

For evidence of controllable speed you can look at Peter McGinnis' stats on runway speed.

The list I saw was from around '98 with vaults from the 80s through '98 listed. When the athlete ran 10m/s+ probably 95% were misses. Those 5% clearances were almost all by Bubka. The guys that were unsuccessful running 10.0 m/s+, consistently cleared bars running 9.5-9.8.

[ADTF Academy]

A key phrase I made is controllable. Just cause you can run 11 m/s should you? NO, unless you can handle it.

For evidence of controllable speed you can look at Peter McGinnis' stats on runway speed.

The list I saw was from around '98 with vaults from the 80s through '98 listed. When the athlete ran 10m/s+ probably 95% were misses. Those 5% clearances were almost all by Bubka. The guys that were unsuccessful running 10.0 m/s+, consistently cleared bars running 9.5-9.8.

The issue is why did 95% of the people who could reach speeds over 10 m/s fail?

I would also love to see comparison data with the long jump. At what speed could the long jumpers no longer handle the velocities. Should some of our training be also geared at jumping motions at high rates of speed. The issue is can you handle the concentric forces being applied on your legs at those speeds or do your hips sink.

[altius]

One reason for failures when folk run faster than their normal speed is that everything else has to happen faster - especially the planting action. If that has not been overlearned it is likely to fall apart under pressure. One would also have to think that if vaulters increased speed on the runway on any particular jump they might run themselves 'under' and into a poor position for take off. Thirdly increased speed might be associated with decreasing control of other critical elements of the body position at take off - anyone who has been a downhill skiier knows all about that!

While not completely relevant to this discussion - Nikonov's aritcle and table that i refer to in BTB implies that the reason why Bubka and some other former soviet vaulters were able to to accelerate through to take off was the efficiency of their plant -compared with other vaulters who decelerated in the last 5 m before take off.

However the main point i would make - on a theme i have pursued for some time in this forum - is that what really matters is how solidly you hit the pole at the instant of take off and how efficient the energy transfer is at that point. Run up speed - even over the last five metres - is only one part of that package.

[bjvando]

A key phrase I made is controllable. Just cause you can run 11 m/s should you? NO, unless you can handle it.

For evidence of controllable speed you can look at Peter McGinnis' stats on runway speed.

The list I saw was from around '98 with vaults from the 80s through '98 listed. When the athlete ran 10m/s+ probably 95% were misses. Those 5% clearances were almost all by Bubka. The guys that were unsuccessful running 10.0 m/s+, consistently cleared bars running 9.5-9.8.

do you have those statistics, or know where to find them?

[achtungpv]

A key phrase I made is controllable. Just cause you can run 11 m/s should you? NO, unless you can handle it.

For evidence of controllable speed you can look at Peter McGinnis' stats on runway speed.

The list I saw was from around '98 with vaults from the 80s through '98 listed. When the athlete ran 10m/s+ probably 95% were misses. Those 5% clearances were almost all by Bubka. The guys that were unsuccessful running 10.0 m/s+, consistently cleared bars running 9.5-9.8.

do you have those statistics, or know where to find them?

I'll look through my stuff and PDF the docs if I can find them. Just bought a new house, so no promises on finding that stuff quickly!

If McGinnis is still reading this board, maybe he'll submit them himself?

[rainbowgirl28]

I'm sure if you email Peter he can help you out. He checks the board from time to time, but I don't think he reads every thread.