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T&FN World Rankings

Unread postby Bubba PV » Sat Dec 31, 2011 10:26 pm

Pole VaUlT
1. Jenn suhr (Us)
2. Fabiana murer (Brazil)
3. silke spiegelburg (Germany)
4. Yelena Isinbaeva (Russia)
5. svetlana Feofanova (Russia)
6. martina strutz (Germany)
7. Yarisley silva (Cuba)
8. anna Rogowska (Poland)
9. Jiřina Ptácníková (Czech Republic)
10. nikolía Kiriakopoúlou (Greece)

Pole VaUlT
1. Renaud lavillenie (France)
2. Paweł wojciechowski (Poland)
3. lázaro Borges (Cuba)
4. malte mohr (Germany)
5. Konstadínos Filippídis (Greece)
6. Łukasz michalski (Poland)
7. maksym mazuryk (Ukraine)
8. mateusz didenkow (Poland)
9. Jeremy scott (Us)
10. dmitriy starodubtsev (Russia)
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Re: T&FN World Rankings

Unread postby xpvjumper » Sat Dec 31, 2011 11:14 pm

If these are right and they look like they could be right, a HUGE congratulations to Jenn Suhr who had a hard fought year. Congrats Jenn…#1 in the World!!! Happy New Years USA! We have the #1 Pole Vaulter in the World.

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Re: T&FN World Rankings

Unread postby Bubba PV » Sat Dec 31, 2011 11:22 pm

Directly from Track & Field News.
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Re: T&FN World Rankings

Unread postby roger/over » Mon Jan 02, 2012 7:36 pm

It would be interesting to know what other factors than seasonal best height and date T&FN considers in its rankings. Comparing these lists with those of Mirko Jalava <tilastopaja.net>, which are based on height/date, I see these differences, with the T&FN ranks shown in parentheses:

Women's Rankings

(1) 1 4.91 Suhr
(2) 2 4.85 Murer
(6) 3 4.80 Strutz
(4) 4 4.76 Isinbayeva
(8) 5 4.75 Rogowska
(3) 6 4.75 Spiegelburg
(5) 7 4.75 Feofanova
(7) 8 4.75 Silva
(10) 9 4.71 Kiriakopolou
- 10 4.70 Holly Beasdale GBR (NR)

T&FN’s #9, Jirina Ptacnikova of CZE, ranked only #14 on height cleared at 4.65m.

With five vaulters a 4.76 to 4.75, it’s easy to see how other factors could enter it. However, it’s surprising that T&FN would rank all of these above Martina Strutz, at 4.80m.

Men’s Rankings

(2) 1 5.91 Wojciechowski
(1) 2 5.90 Lavillenie
(3) 3 5.90 Borges
(6) 4 5.85 Michalski
(4) 5 5.85 Mohr
- 6 5.84 Brad Walker USA
- 7 5.81 Jan Kudlicka CZE
- 8 5.80 Fabio da Silva BRA
- 9 5.75 Bjorn Otto GER
(8) 10 5.75 Didenkow

Other T&FN rankings not in world list top ten:

(5) Filippidis 5.75 – ranked #12
(7) Mazuryk 5.72 – ranked #15
(9) Scott 5.72 - ranked #14
(10) Starodubtsev 5.72 – ranked #19

Especially strange here is Brad Walker, with 5.84, being omitted from the men's list.

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Re: T&FN World Rankings

Unread postby Bubba PV » Mon Jan 02, 2012 8:05 pm

Roger I got these off of the e-edition but I know the magazine, which I have yet to see, explains their criteria. Happy New Year my friend! Bubba
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Re: T&FN World Rankings

Unread postby KLocke » Mon Jan 02, 2012 10:02 pm

Strutz competed in her first head to head comp late in Stockholm and it was a paltry result. 6th place, 4.51.Her previous big jumps were not head DL. Nonetheless, a fantastic season for her to earn a silver medal.
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roger/over wrote: Comparing these lists
With five vaulters a 4.76 to 4.75, it’s easy to see how other factors could enter it. However, it’s surprising that T&FN would rank all of these above Martina Strutz, at 4.80m.

Men’s Rankings

(2) 1 5.91 Wojciechowski
(1) 2 5.90 Lavillenie
(3) 3 5.90 Borges
(6) 4 5.85 Michalski
(4) 5 5.85 Mohr
- 6 5.84 Brad Walker USA
- 7 5.81 Jan Kudlicka CZE
- 8 5.80 Fabio da Silva BRA
- 9 5.75 Bjorn Otto GER
(8) 10 5.75 Didenkow

Other T&FN rankings not in world list top ten:

(5) Filippidis 5.75 – ranked #12
(7) Mazuryk 5.72 – ranked #15
(9) Scott 5.72 - ranked #14
(10) Starodubtsev 5.72 – ranked #19

Especially strange here is Brad Walker, with 5.84, being omitted from the men's list.

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Re: T&FN World Rankings

Unread postby rainbowgirl28 » Tue Jan 03, 2012 12:37 am

T&F News places a very heavy emphasis on performance at Championships, then head-to-head and performances at the major invites, with very little weight being given to best mark. Brad was almost all NHs outside of the training center, I doubt they would have even put him in the top 20 in the world.

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Re: T&FN World Rankings

Unread postby ADTF Academy » Tue Jan 03, 2012 2:32 pm

Rankings from all-athletics.com that puts more weight on outdoor competitions as well as the bigger the meet the more bonus points you get. Each performance has a score plus the bonus for finish at the level of meet. They take your top 5 scores and average them. I wish there was a head to head component as well, but sadly there isn't. Other issue is if you can't get into a major meet its hard to get enough bonus points to rank even if your average height cleared is good. As an example a meet a Chula Vista is 15 bonus points for the win. At the world championships the bonus for the win was 300 points. For some 1 mark or 1 performance means everything for others its the consistency you can show during the entire season and hope you can perform when given the chance at a meet with a lot of bonus points.

Men
1.Renaud Lavillenie
2.Malte Mohr
3.Lazaro Borges
4.Pawel Wojciechowski
5.Konstantinos Filippidis
6.Lukasz Michalski
7.Maksym Mazuryk
8.Mateusez Didenknow
9.Romain Mesnil
10.Jerome Clavier

On there rankings Jeremy Scott was 12th in the world, Brad was 21st, Jan Kudicka was 25th, Fabio da Silva was 15th, Bjorn Otto was 20th.

Women
1.Fabiana Murer
2.Jennifer Suhr
3.Silke Spiegelburg
4.Svetlana Feofanova
5.Yelena Isinbayeva
6.Yarisley Silba
7.Anna Rogowska
8.Martina Strutz
9.Nikolia Kiriakopoulou
10.Holly Bleasdale

Jirina Ptacnikova was 12th in the world on there charts.

Also technically according to the Rules of the Diamond League which is funded by the IAAF who governs Track and Field. The world #1 is given to the winner of the Diamond League.

Men: Renaud Lavillenie
Women: Silke Spiegelburg

If people put any weight on the Diamond league producing the best vaulter in the world they should have listed Silke Spiegelburg as the world's #1.

Personally I have an issue with the Diamond League system because anyone who scores points should be allowed to compete at more of them, but as I was told each meet determines who competes and who has points means nothing. Strange to have a system based off scoring points and deny entry into later meets to those who already have points.


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