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Unread postby asaleh » Wed Apr 29, 2015 9:42 am

Hi, i just got a new essx 14 7 170 flex 17.3. I just wanted to know that if i can blow the crap out of a stiff 14 165 from 5 steps, then can i be able to jump on the 14 7 170 from 6 and have enough penetration to get in the pit
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Re: new pole

Unread postby grandevaulter » Wed Apr 29, 2015 12:13 pm

No one in their right mind would say to do it.

Video, approach length, 100m and 60m time, location and outdoor temperature/wind would all need to be considered. Why are you asking this question here? You need to trust in a coach that can help you make decisions on transitioning poles. Internet advice is not advised.

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Re: new pole

Unread postby asaleh » Wed May 06, 2015 1:14 pm

Really i thought this was the place for advice about my sport. I just want to get someone else's opinion on it. Ive had coaches tell me that id be fine due to my speed and strength and that i blow though a 14 165 from 5. I do trust my coaches; however, i also do trust coaches who have helped me previously (my man Kirkb) on this site. Having more people comment and critique does help me confidently know whether i should or should not jump on this pole.That being said i have another question. I just acquired a 14 7 160 carbon so i am thinking that that pole would help me transition from a 14 165 to the 14 7 170. What do y'all think.
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Re: new pole

Unread postby grandevaulter » Wed May 06, 2015 10:39 pm

asaleh wrote:I do trust my coaches;

Then you must be bored or full of yourself like most people that post on this site. Provide a video.

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Re: new pole

Unread postby KirkB » Thu May 07, 2015 12:37 am

asaleh wrote: I do trust my coaches; however, i also do trust coaches who have helped me previously (my man Kirkb) on this site. Having more people comment and critique does help me confidently know whether i should or should not jump on this pole.

Sorry, I'm not an expert re current pole brands and their flexes (and other virtues).

Yes, someone on here should be able to help you, despite Grandevaulter's rather snide comments.

Grandevaulter: Why are you flaming Asaleh? He's asking an honest question, and hopes to get an honest answer. It would be better if you just answered his questions or kept quiet. But I do get your point about a personal coach being far better than a cyber coach for this type of advice; and I agree with it. But to be fair, coaches come in all shapes and sizes, so his expertise on this topic may not be as good as yours.

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Re: new pole

Unread postby grandevaulter » Thu May 07, 2015 9:35 am

KirkB wrote:Why are you flaming Asaleh?

asaleh wrote: I just wanted to know that if i can blow the crap out of a stiff 14 165 from 5 steps,

"The Pole Vault is a DISCIPLINE, not an extreme sport" (BTB2)

KirkB wrote:Sorry, I'm not an expert re current pole brands and their flexes (and other virtues).

Get off the computer and out to a school or club if you are able and become reacquainted with these elements, if you are still able.

KirkB wrote:It would be better if you just answered his questions or kept quiet.

No one on this site can qualify an answer with the information that he has provided. Coaching pole transitions require an on-site coach that can give input to; temperature, wind direction, how he/she may feel the jumper's energy level is. The coach must have their finger on the pulse of this.

Smell or drink some coffee, but please continue.

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Re: new pole

Unread postby KirkB » Thu May 07, 2015 12:41 pm

grandevaulter wrote: "The Pole Vault is a DISCIPLINE, not an extreme sport" (BTB2)

By whose definition? :confused:

grandevaulter wrote: No one on this site can qualify an answer with the information that he has provided. Coaching pole transitions require an on-site coach that can give input to; temperature, wind direction, how he/she may feel the jumper's energy level is. The coach must have their finger on the pulse of this.

This is the only part of your reply that I agree with, Grandevaulter. Not only to advise on pole selection, but also to supervise a safety net (a safe environment) for the vaulter.

You are also correct in saying that Asaleh should post a vid, so that better advice can be given.

But instead of getting snitty (to him and now to me), I think you could have been more tactful and polite in your reply, and still gotten the same message across.

The grumpy remark that I'm referring to is this one:
grandevaulter wrote: Then you must be bored or full of yourself like most people that post on this site. Provide a video.

All you had to say was "Provide a video.".

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Re: new pole

Unread postby grandevaulter » Thu May 07, 2015 9:40 pm

asaleh wrote:That being said i have another question. I just acquired a 14 7 160 carbon so i am thinking that that pole would help me transition from a 14 165 to the 14 7 170. What do y'all think

Glass / Carbon / Glass NO

asaleh wrote:Ive had coaches tell me that id be fine

Probably one of those kids that asks every coach he sees at a meet. Keep fishing, you might catch one that you like.


asaleh wrote: I do trust my coaches; however, i also do trust coaches who have helped me previously (my man Kirkb) on this site.

There you go Kirk.

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Re: new pole

Unread postby PVJunkie » Fri May 08, 2015 3:57 pm

What brand is the 14 footer?

Assuming they are the same brand, a 14/165 is RELATIVELY equal in stiffness to a 14'6"(7)/155 at the same grip height. So essentially, without moving your grip, the 14'6"(7) pole is about 15 pounds stiffer. Can you successfully use that pole from a longer run? Not a clue, that is why you consult someone who sees you train and vault. Let them help you make the right choices to prevent dangerous situations.

The 14'6"(7)/160 will be approximately 5 pounds stiffer than the 14/165 at the same grip but you will still have a 10 pound jump to the 14'6"(7)/170. That certainly makes your transition a little more manageable.

Again, assuming they are all the same brand, glass and carbon poles are flexed/rated using the same system so, even though the carry weight will likely be noticeable the stiffness will be correct.

Correct stiffness first then grip height.


asaleh wrote:Hi, i just got a new essx 14 7 170 flex 17.3. I just wanted to know that if i can blow the crap out of a stiff 14 165 from 5 steps, then can i be able to jump on the 14 7 170 from 6 and have enough penetration to get in the pit.

I just acquired a 14 7 160 carbon so i am thinking that that pole would help me transition from a 14 165 to the 14 7 170. What do y'all think.

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Re: new pole

Unread postby asaleh » Sat May 09, 2015 4:10 pm

Well first I hate to be such an a** kid who's full of myself for grand vaulter. Look all i am looking for is some advice from coaches trust. Usually Kirkb answers to my questions and his advice has worked 100% of the time. The more reassurance I have from quality coaches on the this site the more it helps me to be more confident with my pole choice . I hate how this turned from me asking a question to being criticized for asking the question. I go to a club that has graduated a plethora of 16 footers. I have read the btb book and my coach has even been taught by the author. I know that you are just one person by a computer screen and don't at all represent this website, but come on. Seriously I am the kid who just bothers coaches at a meet?
Anyway. Pvjunkie. The brand of the 14 165 flex at 16.8 is a sprirt. And by the way just to add I did successfully jump off and penetrated well with the 14 7 170 today. Standards at 31.5. I haven't been able to get any video because my camera has been acting wonky for the past 2 weeks. The 14 7 170 is a Essx carbon and the stiff rating is a 17.4. The reason I haven't been able to jump off of it for a good amount of time was because I was scared that the pole would be too big. That's why I have been asking if I would be fine.
Krikb. Thanks for sticking up for me. Ur a really good coach and ur advice has always lead to progress. Thanks for all the help!!
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