ADTF, I appreciate your reply ... it clarifies a lot of questions we had ...
ADTF Academy wrote: In the video you will see that Mark does in fact tuck, but for no reason except a slow/late extension ..., the timing was off, the tuck was not needed or desired at all. In fact we are still trying to get it out of there on his full approach jumps and have on short approach work.
He does pause a bit, but it's still Petrov ... it's not nearly enough of a tuck to call him a tuck/shooter. And as you said, it's not his intent to tuck, and it's easier to eliminate on short runs. Just scale up from there.
ADTF Academy wrote: Also notice the bottom arm it only slightly straightens because the pole bend opens up, not because he is performing any kind of pushing up action
Yes! There's no time to push. If he takes the time to push, he's delaying his swing. Even if it's just a few milleseconds.
ADTF Academy wrote: ... but what you will notice is the shoulder pull hip extension action I was talking about in 2006. Is it perfect in this video by any means no, it was only after a couple months of learning and working on it.
OK, thanks for the clarification! It looks good!
ADTF Academy wrote: Mark gets launched off poles for these reasons; doesn't over bend the pole (more energy available at the top ... and once initiated continues to apply energy into the pole on the top of his jump ...
Overbending the pole is a trap that I fell into myself. Far better to keep the "system" moving onwards and upwards, and any slow-down of that is essentially fighting gravity and the whole idea of "continuous motion". Actually, the bend of the pole isn't what's important at all ... it's the quickness and continuity of the body action right thru the extension. This is where (in theory) I agree with Agapit whole-heartedly. Easier said than done tho.
ADTF Academy wrote: The pole had little to no bend in it he performed the entire action correctly and got launched into a full errect handstand off the top of the pole over a bungee at 18' plus with the standards at 80. It was sick. If you can imagine the pole angle towards 18' plus with the standards at 80 cm and Mark fully extended off the top of the pole in the same direction the pole was facing and I mean fully extended not the normal legs starting to drop off.
Well ... he must have had SOME bend! But yeh ... it sounds close to what we're talking about!
ADTF Academy wrote: Its a matter of converting the timing and execution to the long runs and doing it on stiffer poles and finally longer poles (next year).
Scaling up.
ADTF Academy wrote: The video posted is the best example I have from a behind shot to show the action I was referring to and being asked about. Obviously it is not a perfect example cause it was not a continuous action through the swing into the shoulder pull, but it shows the shoulder pull action well enough.
Yes ... there's no delay between his takeoff and his swing ... and he doesn't drive the chest thru much at all.
ADTF Academy wrote: At this time Mark was able to do Bubkas with I beleive almost 90 pounds hanging from his hips as dead weight attached to a belt and chain.
I'm not a big fan of Bubka Drills on the highbar, but I can understand why you need strength for the extension part of the vault. I did cleans for this. A more accurate measure of how strong he is in the extension would be his clean PR. What is it? Also, I personally don't think that putting on extra weight to do Bubkas makes them any better, but that's just my personal opinion. I like everything else you talked about!
But do you agree that Hollis is an exceptional athlete? You could not expect a "mere mortal" to use this same technique ... could you?