gypsy wrote:As far as a reference book for me regarding the Petrov Way, it doesn't have any value. The bigger concepts aren't present in the book.
An interesting comment since this book introduced the notion of the flexible pole as a series of straight poles (Page 38) - a notion picked up by Peter McGinnis in his Reno lecture -but a concept although critical to understanding modern technique - had been virtually ignored until then and never to my knowledge mentioned by Petrov. Then of course it introduces the notion of the pre jump take off - an issue that is still being debated – but confirmed by direct communication with Bubka in a public forum. I also suspect the ideas on the relationship between running ability and vault performance would have been an eye opener to many.
That said BTB is indeed a compilation, interpretation and clarification of the views of others – Houvion/Krysinski/Petrov/Bubka/ Botcharnikov/ Parnov/ 'Baggett/ Cooper/ Allison/Larren and Jeremy Bailey et al and or course my own experience teaching and coaching the event for over fifty years. Virtually all technical books and writings are; it is so simple why don’t you write your own – but I believe I have challenged you to do that a couple of years ago –without any result!!!
You may find the following comments from a year or so ago interesting. They derive from the fact that I had alway tried to follow the Petrov model so that in BTB I put forward his position that after the left arm was driven back -or disengaged at take off - it followed the flexing pole. Then at the point where the pole stopped flexing, the left arm regained contact with the pole and there was a simple biomechanical response which caused the body to begin to rotate. If you read Petrov closely enough you will discover that was his view - and hence mine until I spent two weeks skiing in France with Roman. As a result of the discussions we had I went back to to review the evidence. The following is one post I put up as a result of that - unfortunately I cant find the complete post in which I detailed my changed position - will continue searching and will post it when I can do so
"Suggest you ask Roman about that because he certainly believes that Bubka represented the 6.40 model - and Roman certainly does know him. Also if you read the posts on this topic you might find one where I confirmed my belief -already stated in BTB - that after the vaulter leaves the ground their behaviour is almost completely intuitive - rather than cognitive -so it is possible that even he (Bubka) could not tell you exactly what he did after he had left the ground. In fact it may have varied with every jump depending on all of the preceding elements. Indeed we have Bubka’s almost hilarious response to Romans question "What do you think about after you leave the ground?' when he replied "The pole vault for me is RUN. TAKE OFF AND THEN AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!
My position on the use of the left arm changed when I returned to the notion of pole vaulting simply as stiff pole vaulting on a flexible pole. Indeed I posted a mea culpa on that topic last year to explain my view. “
However I have already suggested to Roman that his views are not likely to be generally accepted until he can demonstrate them with an athlete or athletes and detail the drills he used to get there, He is now working with an immensely talented athlete I sent him and we will see what happens.
Finally I must ask who you are coaching or have coached, because if you are really only coaching whiny junior high kids I would have thought that at this level just getting kids to run and plant effectively would be enough. So why do you need to understand and try to apply concepts that “were not dealt with in BTB? (Yes yet another plug for my book.) Concepts that many of the best coaches in the US are still debating for although I now agree with Roman, many do not –and they are not idiots – just folk doing the best for their athletes with what they believe to be true –at this point in time. Note the quote from the Talmud below.
But while you are at it can you also detail the "bigger concepts that are missing from BTB"???) Might be able to consider for the next edition!!!!
Mere knowledge is not the goal - but action. The Torah,