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I agree
I agree with you PV... many times Jodie would go to a meet and she did compete in meets with Terin Humphrey from GAGE gymnastics out of KC and Krafft gymnastics out of Tulsa. The judges many times just EXPECTED that they were going to be giving a higher score to gymnasts from high profile gyms with high profile coaches. So not only were other gymnasts competing against each gymnast, but the NAME of the gym! 
That's Jodie!!
A scripture that makes me think of all you girls and guys pole vaulting....
Habakkuk 3:19
The Sovereign LORD is my strength;
he makes my feet like the feet of a deer,
he enables me to go on the heights.
A scripture that makes me think of all you girls and guys pole vaulting....
Habakkuk 3:19
The Sovereign LORD is my strength;
he makes my feet like the feet of a deer,
he enables me to go on the heights.
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USOC willing to consider second gold medal
By EDDIE PELLS, AP Sports Writer
August 23, 2004
ATHENS, Greece (AP) -- The U.S. Olympic Committee would consider supporting South Korea's bid to pursue a duplicate gold medal for one of its gymnasts to make up for the scoring error that gave American Paul Hamm the all-around title.
USOC officials met with members of the South Korean Olympic Committee and are trying to find an ``equitable solution,'' Darryl Seibel, a spokesman for the USOC, said Monday.
``We have indicated to them that we would be willing to consider the notion of a second gold medal being awarded,'' Seibel told The Associated Press. ``It's up to the Korean Olympic Committee to determine how it wants to proceed. There's a willingness to at least consider this idea.''
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Hamm won the gold medal Wednesday after judges incorrectly scored Yang Tae-young's parallel bars routine, failing to give him enough points for the level of difficulty. Yang ended up with the bronze.
Seibel said USOC officials also were consulting with USA Gymnastics, the sport's national federation.
Its president, Bob Colarossi, was in a meeting Monday afternoon and could not immediately be reached for comment. Jae Soon-yoo, an official for the South Korean delegation, also was in a meeting.
Any agreement between the USOC and the South Koreans would still have to be approved by the International Olympic Committee. IOC president Jacques Rogge said earlier it was unlikely his organization would step in because, ``The IOC never intervenes in a ranking issue.'' That might change, however, if both parties agree on the double gold.
``The Olympic ideals are part of this,'' Seibel said. ``Again, we're looking for a resolution that's fair.''
At issue was the tenth of a point deducted from Yang's start value in the fifth of six events in the all-around. He received a 9.9 for a routine that had been given a 10 start value in team preliminaries and finals.
He finished third, 0.049 points behind Hamm, who came back from 12th with two events left for the stirring victory. With the extra 0.100, Yang would have finished first and Hamm second, and Kim Dae-eun of South Korea would have won the bronze instead of silver.
The International Gymnastics Federation admitted the error, and suspended the two judges who determined the start values -- Benjamin Bango of Spain and Oscar Buitrago Reyes of Colombia -- along with the judge who oversaw the panel, George Beckstead of the United States.
But the federation said it would not change the results because the South Koreans did not file their protest in time.
South Korea promised to take its case to the Court of Arbitration for Sport, although it had not filed its appeal as of Monday afternoon. CAS has already indicated it wouldn't take the case because it involved a ``field of play'' decision.
The case has brought back memories of the figure skating scandal at the Salt Lake City Games in 2002, when Canadians Jamie Sale and David Pelletier were given duplicate gold medals after a French judge said she had been ``pressured'' to put a Russian couple ahead of them.
But there are no such signs of impropriety in this case.
Asked about the furor Sunday night, Hamm said he understood why the South Koreans were upset, but he didn't think a second gold medal was warranted.
``The people I'm a little bit upset with is FIG because this matter should have never even come up,'' Hamm said. ``The rules can't be changed after the competition is over.''
Hamm was to compete again Monday night in the parallel bars and high bar finals. The high bar final was sure to have added drama because Yang also qualified.
Giving a second gold medal would set a bad precedent, former U.S. men's coach Peter Kormann said.
``You don't get Olympic gold medals in a gumball machine,'' Kormann said in a telephone interview from New York. ``If you go back and change that because of a start score mistake, that changes the whole thing. That tarnishes everyone.
``In the end, the system we use works pretty good,'' Kormann added. ``If everybody follows it, it works pretty good. At the end of the day, there's always somebody who's unhappy with their score. And then there's another time you feel like you were overscored. It all comes out pretty even in the wash, and that's the case in any sport.''
USOC willing to consider second gold medal
By EDDIE PELLS, AP Sports Writer
August 23, 2004
ATHENS, Greece (AP) -- The U.S. Olympic Committee would consider supporting South Korea's bid to pursue a duplicate gold medal for one of its gymnasts to make up for the scoring error that gave American Paul Hamm the all-around title.
USOC officials met with members of the South Korean Olympic Committee and are trying to find an ``equitable solution,'' Darryl Seibel, a spokesman for the USOC, said Monday.
``We have indicated to them that we would be willing to consider the notion of a second gold medal being awarded,'' Seibel told The Associated Press. ``It's up to the Korean Olympic Committee to determine how it wants to proceed. There's a willingness to at least consider this idea.''
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Hamm won the gold medal Wednesday after judges incorrectly scored Yang Tae-young's parallel bars routine, failing to give him enough points for the level of difficulty. Yang ended up with the bronze.
Seibel said USOC officials also were consulting with USA Gymnastics, the sport's national federation.
Its president, Bob Colarossi, was in a meeting Monday afternoon and could not immediately be reached for comment. Jae Soon-yoo, an official for the South Korean delegation, also was in a meeting.
Any agreement between the USOC and the South Koreans would still have to be approved by the International Olympic Committee. IOC president Jacques Rogge said earlier it was unlikely his organization would step in because, ``The IOC never intervenes in a ranking issue.'' That might change, however, if both parties agree on the double gold.
``The Olympic ideals are part of this,'' Seibel said. ``Again, we're looking for a resolution that's fair.''
At issue was the tenth of a point deducted from Yang's start value in the fifth of six events in the all-around. He received a 9.9 for a routine that had been given a 10 start value in team preliminaries and finals.
He finished third, 0.049 points behind Hamm, who came back from 12th with two events left for the stirring victory. With the extra 0.100, Yang would have finished first and Hamm second, and Kim Dae-eun of South Korea would have won the bronze instead of silver.
The International Gymnastics Federation admitted the error, and suspended the two judges who determined the start values -- Benjamin Bango of Spain and Oscar Buitrago Reyes of Colombia -- along with the judge who oversaw the panel, George Beckstead of the United States.
But the federation said it would not change the results because the South Koreans did not file their protest in time.
South Korea promised to take its case to the Court of Arbitration for Sport, although it had not filed its appeal as of Monday afternoon. CAS has already indicated it wouldn't take the case because it involved a ``field of play'' decision.
The case has brought back memories of the figure skating scandal at the Salt Lake City Games in 2002, when Canadians Jamie Sale and David Pelletier were given duplicate gold medals after a French judge said she had been ``pressured'' to put a Russian couple ahead of them.
But there are no such signs of impropriety in this case.
Asked about the furor Sunday night, Hamm said he understood why the South Koreans were upset, but he didn't think a second gold medal was warranted.
``The people I'm a little bit upset with is FIG because this matter should have never even come up,'' Hamm said. ``The rules can't be changed after the competition is over.''
Hamm was to compete again Monday night in the parallel bars and high bar finals. The high bar final was sure to have added drama because Yang also qualified.
Giving a second gold medal would set a bad precedent, former U.S. men's coach Peter Kormann said.
``You don't get Olympic gold medals in a gumball machine,'' Kormann said in a telephone interview from New York. ``If you go back and change that because of a start score mistake, that changes the whole thing. That tarnishes everyone.
``In the end, the system we use works pretty good,'' Kormann added. ``If everybody follows it, it works pretty good. At the end of the day, there's always somebody who's unhappy with their score. And then there's another time you feel like you were overscored. It all comes out pretty even in the wash, and that's the case in any sport.''
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RoySloppy wrote:now that svetlana something or other is saying the judges cheated her out if a gold medal when she lost to carly patterson...give me a break they cant accept that USA is number 1. USA USA USA
the athletes and fans angry over the scores should boo, hiss, or whatever they want to do on the judges ... they are the ones who decide who gets what medal.
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wow, that assertion sounds somewhat ignorant. how about this:
rarely do winners disagree with the judges decision, and those losers that do disagree with the judges' decision do so sometimes fairly and othertimes as a poor sport only as an attempt to sound/look better. I know that often times I lost in diving meets two years ago but rarely would disagree with the judges' decision - it's a matter of being able to admit to yourself that you're not the best in everything, which I'm sure many people who lose are capable of doing.
rarely do winners disagree with the judges decision, and those losers that do disagree with the judges' decision do so sometimes fairly and othertimes as a poor sport only as an attempt to sound/look better. I know that often times I lost in diving meets two years ago but rarely would disagree with the judges' decision - it's a matter of being able to admit to yourself that you're not the best in everything, which I'm sure many people who lose are capable of doing.
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After tonites high bar comp.................could it get any worse??? WOW does gymnastics judgeing need an overhaul................
On a side note.........could you imagine the opportunities if Hamm just called a press conf and GAVE the gold to the man who acually won it..........he would still go down in the books as the gold medal winner BUT what a pr move that would be............it would almost redeem gymnastics image after one of the worst officiated games in recent history.
On a side note.........could you imagine the opportunities if Hamm just called a press conf and GAVE the gold to the man who acually won it..........he would still go down in the books as the gold medal winner BUT what a pr move that would be............it would almost redeem gymnastics image after one of the worst officiated games in recent history.
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Again I say, even if they HAD started him at a 9.9, they did not take the automatic deduction for having more than four of a particular trick....which he again repeated last night. The Korean's actual score after both adjustments is actually .1 less than what he got. I would have to look at the fourth place finisher. He may have actually been outscored for the bronze!!! He should have been deducted the .2 for the extra repetition of the skill last night, but I don't know if they did.
NO, Paul should not return or share the gold medal. He truly outscored the Korean in the all-around!
NO, Paul should not return or share the gold medal. He truly outscored the Korean in the all-around!
That's Jodie!!
A scripture that makes me think of all you girls and guys pole vaulting....
Habakkuk 3:19
The Sovereign LORD is my strength;
he makes my feet like the feet of a deer,
he enables me to go on the heights.
A scripture that makes me think of all you girls and guys pole vaulting....
Habakkuk 3:19
The Sovereign LORD is my strength;
he makes my feet like the feet of a deer,
he enables me to go on the heights.
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jmayesvaultmom wrote:The Korean's actual score after both adjustments is actually .1 less than what he got. I would have to look at the fourth place finisher. He may have actually been outscored for the bronze!!! He should have been deducted the .2 for the extra repetition of the skill last night, but I don't know if they did.
NO, Paul should not return or share the gold medal. He truly outscored the Korean in the all-around!
people should just be happy with what they get. i think this error has totally gone out of proportion.
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