Hamm Surprise!!

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Did you think Hamm could have gotten a medal after the vault?

Yes
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Hamm Surprise!!

Unread postby Scott Go Pre » Thu Aug 19, 2004 3:54 pm

Did anyone think that Paul Hamm could get the gold, much less a medal, after his terrible fall on the vault? :confused:

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Unread postby fong520 » Thu Aug 19, 2004 4:14 pm

i saw the results b4 i saw it on tv. but if i didnt i wouldnt of htought he could.
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Unread postby jhesch » Thu Aug 19, 2004 4:37 pm

i didnt see him fall....what happened? how bad was it?

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Unread postby Lord of the Poles » Thu Aug 19, 2004 7:43 pm

when he landed, he couldn't balance himself at all, and tumbled sideways right into the judges table...
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Unread postby jmayesvaultmom » Thu Aug 19, 2004 7:43 pm

It is bad enough when you sit down a vault, but he stumbled off the floor and ended up up against the judges' table and the judge even put his hands on his shoulders! Sometimes they can take all the steps or bobbles that a gymnast takes or has before they even take the deduction for a fall (.5).... His fall on vault was much bigger than the others gymnasts' mistakes that were ahead of him after the fall. That is what makes it so incredible. He had to score over a 9.8 on his last two events to even have a chance to get the gold. Getting a 9.8 or above is incredible in the olympic games... much less two! Gymnasts are basically ranked against each other. A judge will remember other gymnasts that have gone before and will also take into account who is still to come on an event when giving scores. They have to leave "room' for scores. It is not like PV where the bar either falls off or it stays... :P
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Unread postby blazerunner121 » Thu Aug 19, 2004 10:27 pm

i liked how paul hamm just never thought of trying to win gold after his fall and falling to 12th place. all the thought about was just trying to pick himself up and just try to do better or medal a bronze. great job to him! :yes: :yes:

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Unread postby theflyingkorean » Fri Aug 20, 2004 2:38 am

i think he could ahve gotten a medal, just not a gold.

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Contesting the gold medal

Unread postby jmayesvaultmom » Sun Aug 22, 2004 8:45 am

I just want to say, if they had scored the Korean's pbars correctly, that doesn't necessarily mean he would have won the gold. If the judges in their minds truly thought Paul Hamm was the best in the all-around, they would have given him the score he needed since Paul was after the Korean. You hear the commentators say...they could deduct here and there. Well, sometimes they overlook things or they don't deduct as strongly. So It doesn't mean Paul wouldn't have won! I think they still would have given it to Paul! :yes:
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Re: Contesting the gold medal

Unread postby Skyin' Brian » Sun Aug 22, 2004 12:32 pm

jmayesvaultmom wrote:I just want to say, if they had scored the Korean's pbars correctly, that doesn't necessarily mean he would have won the gold. If the judges in their minds truly thought Paul Hamm was the best in the all-around, they would have given him the score he needed since Paul was after the Korean. You hear the commentators say...they could deduct here and there. Well, sometimes they overlook things or they don't deduct as strongly. So It doesn't mean Paul wouldn't have won! I think they still would have given it to Paul! :yes:


perhaps, in an artical i read the president of FIG or someone like that likened the incident to one blown call in a football game. it is possible that every gymnast's team could file a protest and they might find more errors but it was too late to change the scores. too bad hamm had to fall down on his vault. he might have won by half a point!

oh well, time to win more golds for hamm tonight

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Unread postby jmayesvaultmom » Sun Aug 22, 2004 6:47 pm

"Hamm and his coach, Miles Avery, said they looked at Yang's routine and saw a place where he should have received a 0.2-point deduction that the judges didn't take."

As I said...Paul is the gold medalist...hands down! :yes:
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Unread postby PVJunkie » Sun Aug 22, 2004 11:00 pm

Now THIS sport has some MAJOR problems. If it is a scoring mistake FIX it and give the awards out accordingly.............if it was a judgement mistake..............well thats the nature of the scoring system so deal with it. How many times have we made fun of the 9 9 9 9.5 and a 6.0 from the russian judge........... Now dont behead me but this is exactly why I cannot like a sport that is subjective. Humans are errored and corrupted no matter how we would like to believe that we can minimize it so it will not change the outcome.............its not possible. So if it involves a JUDGE I can be in awe of the athletes ability but not the sport.

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Unread postby Skyin' Brian » Sun Aug 22, 2004 11:08 pm

PVJunkie wrote:Now THIS sport has some MAJOR problems. If it is a scoring mistake FIX it and give the awards out accordingly.............if it was a judgement mistake..............well thats the nature of the scoring system so deal with it. How many times have we made fun of the 9 9 9 9.5 and a 6.0 from the russian judge........... Now dont behead me but this is exactly why I cannot like a sport that is subjective. Humans are errored and corrupted no matter how we would like to believe that we can minimize it so it will not change the outcome.............its not possible. So if it involves a JUDGE I can be in awe of the athletes ability but not the sport.


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