New Essx Poles with NEW Labels

A forum to discuss everything to do with pole vaulting equipment: poles, pits, spikes, etc.

Moderator: Barto

PVJunkie
PV Lover
Posts: 1037
Joined: Mon Sep 16, 2002 10:40 am
Expertise: Pole Specialist, Former College Vaulter, Masters Vaulter, HS Coach, Fan, Parent, College Coach

Unread postby PVJunkie » Wed Mar 19, 2003 11:53 pm

Now there Lon, its not that you disagree. I said (and even all caped it) "SUBSTANIALLY" ruducing pole speed. I could be a contributing factor with other (more important) factors to slowing pole speed. Very few poles will go through their life without the tell tale scares on the bottom of the pole indicating that they are hitting the top back of the box. Thats why so many kids put 10,000 layers of tape (which is a bad thing cause the more weight you add down there the heavier the pole feels) to the bottom of the pole, and that was the origin of the pole protector sleeve (plastic thing that snaps onto the bottom of the pole instead of all that darn tape). I have jumped at both steep and excessive box angles. The steep wasnt too hard to overcome (it has more to do with the tip of the pole locking into the very bottom of the box because the bottom of the box is at an uphill angle. With a normal box the tip does not LOCK in and as the pole hits it allows for a small piviot on the part thats hitting. The worst boxs I have ever jumped at were the excessive box angle boxs. These were scary because the pole popped out on every jumper there. The angle was not vert enough to "stop" the pole and the tip just ramped up and out. The guys with the highest grip had the most problems (and we all know i sure dont grip very high so you can imagine how bad it was for the rest of them). As for the 3 point of force..........we all know that....... but until a pole is tested as a pole instead of a beam (the current flex test is based in beam theory) the 3rd force point is lost excpet to the coachs eye.

have fun with that last one

User avatar
rainbowgirl28
I'm in Charge
Posts: 30435
Joined: Sat Aug 31, 2002 1:59 pm
Expertise: Former College Vaulter, I coach and officiate as life allows
Lifetime Best: 11'6"
Gender: Female
World Record Holder?: Renaud Lavillenie
Favorite Vaulter: Casey Carrigan
Location: A Temperate Island
Contact:

Unread postby rainbowgirl28 » Thu Mar 20, 2003 6:03 pm

OK Bruce posted a link to this in an earlier thread...

Image

eleazar
PV Fan
Posts: 53
Joined: Fri Jan 24, 2003 2:40 pm
Lifetime Best: 19'2"
Favorite Vaulter: Tye Harvey
Location: Santa Rosa Beach, FL
Contact:

Unread postby eleazar » Thu Mar 20, 2003 6:21 pm

I have an EZB Fastback that Earl designed in the late 80's that has no mark on the bottom, which would indicate that it does not hit the back of the box, i never tape my poles or put pole protectors on them...

it also bends high and is my PR pole...

Decamouse
PV Great
Posts: 923
Joined: Thu Oct 24, 2002 6:43 pm
Expertise: Masters vaulter, coach, USATF Official
World Record Holder?: Renaud Lavillenie
Favorite Vaulter: Kate Dennison
Location: Bohners Lake, Wisconsin
Contact:

Unread postby Decamouse » Thu Mar 20, 2003 7:22 pm

Funny thing about "Fastbacks" - I have a few sitting in the R&D rack - older poles - say PACER on them? - but how about this - same about of glass used in two poles - same amount of body wraps etc. same amount of square inches of sail piece and for grins lets say they flex out the same - but the sail pieces are located differently - one stiffens lower (more glass) and bends higher - the other more balanced - which one has the higher cantilever load and thus slightly more effort to carry? This is a law of physics - also a pole can never give back more energy then you put into it - hopefully you can get close to the amount you put into it back in a useful manner - the idea being jump high and have fun doing it. PS: a sharp looking pole does not hurt - (that mental aspect counts also) - growing up a lot of hot rods had the old flame effect on them. Maybe someone needs a stealth fighter on a label - but - would you be able to see it?
Plant like crap sometimes ok most times

User avatar
Bruce Caldwell
PV Enthusiast
Posts: 1783
Joined: Thu Feb 27, 2003 3:19 pm
Expertise: It is all about Pole Vaulting. I even catch the competitors poles!
Lifetime Best: 15'8"
Favorite Vaulter: Kjell Issakson, Jan Johnson
Location: DFW TEXAS
Contact:

SOMETHING FOR YOU ALL TO THINK ABOUT!

Unread postby Bruce Caldwell » Thu Mar 20, 2003 9:35 pm

For those hungry for a bit of HISTORY!

Bubka who jumped on Pacer, then, Nordic, and then Spirit poles rarely taped the bottom of his money poles. Some of his training poles did have a light wrap. But all the poles I saw including the ones he had inspected before the 1996 Olympic Games had no scratches or tape on the bottom of the poles except the normal label white wrap. (They were used poles, not new). A video that I was privileged to see from the 1996 Olympic meet and also a meet in France taken from the box level for his first 6 meter jump the pole never hit the back of the box. In all the videos I have seen his poles do not bend low.

Mike Tully former Olympic Silver medalist 1984 - 2-time Olympian with 5 World Records comes by the factory from time to time to consult on poles. He says his style was to swing so the pole does not bend low and creates a high bend. He had John Merritt inventor of the first Carbon Pole from GILL make all his poles so he it was easier for him to accomplish this style. These poles similar to the ones Earl Bell has developed have been around since 1976 when Earl jumped his first World Record on a special Sky Pole Designed by Bruce Caldwell and Paul Richards (Altius).

AMF/Pacer (Herb Jenks) wanted Earl to jump on their poles so they made a clone of this pole with a spiral wrap for Earl so he could jump on their pole in the 1976 Olympics. He jumped 18’4â€Â
I love the PV, it is in my DNA

User avatar
wacky274
PV Follower
Posts: 587
Joined: Mon Sep 30, 2002 9:26 pm
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Contact:

Unread postby wacky274 » Thu Mar 20, 2003 9:45 pm

is that Wally Kozakiewicz guy from poland? one of my friends said they had a family member who used to be a vaulter and held some national record or something she though . She wasnt exactly clear on the history, but i'm just curious if they are relatives, cause that name i would presume would not be to common, lol.
Champions aren't made in gyms. Champions are made from something they have deep inside them-a desire, a dream, a vision. They have to have last-minute stamina, they have to be a little faster, they have to have the skill and the will. But the will must be stronger than the skill. - Muhammad Ali

Talent in cheaper than table salt. What separates the talented individual from the successful one is a lot of hard work.
-Stephen King

User avatar
Bruce Caldwell
PV Enthusiast
Posts: 1783
Joined: Thu Feb 27, 2003 3:19 pm
Expertise: It is all about Pole Vaulting. I even catch the competitors poles!
Lifetime Best: 15'8"
Favorite Vaulter: Kjell Issakson, Jan Johnson
Location: DFW TEXAS
Contact:

No ESSX in my whole darn letter above LOL

Unread postby Bruce Caldwell » Thu Mar 20, 2003 9:58 pm

I had someone who just emailed me that I was posting advertising on the site? Well Ok people see if you can find the ESSX word in the the whole darn letter above?
I think I gave every other pole brand a PLUG size V-16
GRIN :devil: Burn em baby

Bruce Caldwell
http://www.essxsport.com
go see the pole calculator you can use it for other brands too just round up!!!
I love the PV, it is in my DNA

User avatar
rainbowgirl28
I'm in Charge
Posts: 30435
Joined: Sat Aug 31, 2002 1:59 pm
Expertise: Former College Vaulter, I coach and officiate as life allows
Lifetime Best: 11'6"
Gender: Female
World Record Holder?: Renaud Lavillenie
Favorite Vaulter: Casey Carrigan
Location: A Temperate Island
Contact:

Unread postby rainbowgirl28 » Thu Mar 20, 2003 10:13 pm

Decamouse wrote:Funny thing about "Fastbacks" - I have a few sitting in the R&D rack - older poles - say PACER on them?


I think Eleazar's poles used to say Pacer until he put Bell Athletics stickers on them :P
Last edited by rainbowgirl28 on Fri Mar 21, 2003 12:18 am, edited 1 time in total.

eleazar
PV Fan
Posts: 53
Joined: Fri Jan 24, 2003 2:40 pm
Lifetime Best: 19'2"
Favorite Vaulter: Tye Harvey
Location: Santa Rosa Beach, FL
Contact:

Unread postby eleazar » Thu Mar 20, 2003 10:21 pm

Absolutely, all of them now except one!! They are all Earls old Pacer "fastback" poles. Bruce just sent me an ESSX Carbon to try out.

"fastbacks" are old Pacer poles

eleazar
PV Fan
Posts: 53
Joined: Fri Jan 24, 2003 2:40 pm
Lifetime Best: 19'2"
Favorite Vaulter: Tye Harvey
Location: Santa Rosa Beach, FL
Contact:

Unread postby eleazar » Thu Mar 20, 2003 10:24 pm

rainbowgirl28 wrote:
Decamouse wrote:Funny thing about "Fastbacks" - I have a few sitting in the R&D rack - older poles - say PACER on them?


I think Daniel's poles used to say Pacer until he put Bell Athletics stickers on them :P


I figure if the company gives you poles you keep the label on them, but if Earl gives you the poles you should put his company logo on them :)

User avatar
rainbowgirl28
I'm in Charge
Posts: 30435
Joined: Sat Aug 31, 2002 1:59 pm
Expertise: Former College Vaulter, I coach and officiate as life allows
Lifetime Best: 11'6"
Gender: Female
World Record Holder?: Renaud Lavillenie
Favorite Vaulter: Casey Carrigan
Location: A Temperate Island
Contact:

Re: No ESSX in my whole darn letter above LOL

Unread postby rainbowgirl28 » Thu Mar 20, 2003 10:25 pm

ESSX wrote:I had someone who just emailed me that I was posting advertising on the site? Well Ok people see if you can find the ESSX word in the the whole darn letter above?
I think I gave every other pole brand a PLUG size V-16
GRIN :devil: Burn em baby

Bruce Caldwell
http://www.essxsport.com
go see the pole calculator you can use it for other brands too just round up!!!


Whoa last time I checked this was my website... if I have a problem with people plugging their products I will talk to them about it. And I have not had a problem with anything, if you feel like I should have email or PM me.

I think discussions like this are good for the sport.

I'll leave it at that for now because I need to go eat :P Questions?

User avatar
Bruce Caldwell
PV Enthusiast
Posts: 1783
Joined: Thu Feb 27, 2003 3:19 pm
Expertise: It is all about Pole Vaulting. I even catch the competitors poles!
Lifetime Best: 15'8"
Favorite Vaulter: Kjell Issakson, Jan Johnson
Location: DFW TEXAS
Contact:

thanks Rainbow Girl

Unread postby Bruce Caldwell » Thu Mar 20, 2003 10:31 pm

Yes Thank you I know it was not you. I will not reveal who it was to protect the jealous SMILE

Bruce
I love the PV, it is in my DNA


Return to “Pole Vault - Equipment”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 29 guests