NCAA West Region - Roth, Mossberg 5.46, Low, Estrada 5.36

[rainbowgirl28]

lash Results, Inc.
NCAA Division I 2009 Outdoor
Track & Field West Regional
Eugene, OR - 5/29/2009 to 5/30/2009

Event 14 Men Pole Vault
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Jump Heights: 4.91- 5.06- 5.16- 5.26- 5.36- 5.46- 5.56- 5.66 +
Five-alive jumping format until fewer than 9 remaining.
Use Rule 7.1.6c.1 jump-off format to establish distinct 5th
final place for advancement purposes only.
American: A 6.04m 6/8/2008 Brad Walker, Nike
College Best: C 5.98m 5/25/1996 Lawrence Johnson, Tennessee
West Region: R 5.80m 5/25/2007 Thomas Skipper, Oregon
Name Year School Finals Points
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Finals
1 Scott Roth SO Washington 5.46m 17-11.00 10
4.91 5.06 5.16 5.26 5.36 5.46 5.56 5.70
PPP PPP O O O O PPP XXX
2 Nick Mossberg SR Arizona 5.46m 17-11.00 8
4.91 5.06 5.16 5.26 5.36 5.46 5.56
PPP PPP O XO XXO XXO XXX
3 Bob Low SR Brigham Young 5.36m 17-07.00 6
4.91 5.06 5.16 5.26 5.36 5.46
PPP PPP PPP O O XXX
4 Brandon Estrada JR Southern California 5.36m 17-07.00 5
4.91 5.06 5.16 5.26 5.36 5.46
O O XXO O XXO XXX
5 Johnny Quinn SO UCLA 5.26m 17-03.00 3.50
4.91 5.06 5.16 5.26 5.36
O O XO O XXX
5 Jared O'Connor SR Washington 5.26m 17-03.00 3.50
4.91 5.06 5.16 5.26 5.36
PPP O XO O XXX
7 Derek Scott JR Southern California 5.26m 17-03.00 2
4.91 5.06 5.16 5.26 5.36
PPP O XXO O XXX
8 Greg Woepse SO UCLA 5.26m 17-03.00 1
4.91 5.06 5.16 5.26 5.36
O XO O XO XXX
9 Levi Keller SR Idaho State 5.26m 17-03.00
4.91 5.06 5.16 5.26 5.36
O XXO O XXO XXX
10 Casey Roche SO Stanford 5.16m 16-11.00
4.91 5.06 5.16 5.26
O O O XXX
11 Chris Little SO Brigham Young 5.16m 16-11.00
4.91 5.06 5.16 5.26
PPP XO XO XXX
12 Mike Arnold FR Idaho State 5.16m 16-11.00
4.91 5.06 5.16 5.26
O XXO XXO XXX
13 Colin Witter-Tilton JR Oregon 5.06m 16-07.25
4.91 5.06 5.16
O O XXX
13 James Nunno SR Cal Poly-SLO 5.06m 16-07.25
4.91 5.06 5.16
O O XXX
13 Ryan Vu JR Washington 5.06m 16-07.25
4.91 5.06 5.16 5.26 5.36
PPP O XXP PPP PPP
16 Bobby Talley SR UCLA 5.06m 16-07.25
4.91 5.06 5.16
XO O XXX
17 Connor Landry SO Cal Poly-SLO 5.06m 16-07.25
4.91 5.06 5.16
O XO XXX
17 Jamie Feaster SR Davis 5.06m 16-07.25
4.91 5.06 5.16
O XO XXX
17 Corey Dysick SO Stanford 5.06m 16-07.25
4.91 5.06 5.16
O XO XXX
20 Casey DiCesare SO UCLA 5.06m 16-07.25
4.91 5.06 5.16
XO XO XXX
21 Corey Phallen JR Arizona State 5.06m 16-07.25
4.91 5.06 5.16
XXO XO XXX
22 Jeremy Klas FR Idaho 5.06m 16-07.25
4.91 5.06 5.16
XO XXO XXX
23 Tanner Emrich SO Brigham Young 4.91m 16-01.25
4.91 5.06
O XXX
23 Ryan Shuler JR California 4.91m 16-01.25
4.91 5.06
O XXX
23 Joe Fazio JR Arizona State 4.91m 16-01.25
4.91 5.06
O XXX
23 Ethan Ostrom FR Davis 4.91m 16-01.25
4.91 5.06
O XXX
27 Sam Pierson JR Idaho State 4.91m 16-01.25
4.91 5.06
XO XXX
27 Scott Finley JR Santa Barbara 4.91m 16-01.25
4.91 5.06
XO XXX
29 Andrew Sullivan SO Cal State-Fullerton 4.91m 16-01.25
4.91 5.06
XXO XXX
-- Whitney Neves SR Brigham Young NH
4.91 5.06 5.16 5.26
PPP PPP PPP XXX
-- Kevin Jones JR Cal Poly-SLO NH
4.91
XXX
-- Dutch Perryman JR Arizona NH
4.91
XXX
-- Lucas Pope SO Idaho NH
4.91
XXX
-- Dustin DeLeo SR UCLA NH
4.91 5.06 5.16
PPP PPP XXX
-- Mike Carpenter JR Idaho NH
4.91
XXX
Event 45 Men Pole Vault Jump Off
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Name Year School Finals
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Finals
1 Jared O'Connor SR Washington 5.26m 17-03.00
-- Johnny Quinn SO UCLA NH

[KirkB]

5 Johnny Quinn SO UCLA 5.26m 17-03.00 3.50
4.91 5.06 5.16 5.26 5.36
O O XO O XXX
5 Jared O'Connor SR Washington 5.26m 17-03.00 3.50
4.91 5.06 5.16 5.26 5.36
PPP O XO O XXX

So if O'Connor beat Quinn in the jumpoff, isn't O'Connor 5th and Quinn 6th?

Event 45 Men Pole Vault Jump Off
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Name Year School Finals
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Finals
1 Jared O'Connor SR Washington 5.26m 17-03.00
-- Johnny Quinn SO UCLA NH

And didn't O'Connor make 5.36 (17-7) in the jumpoff? If so, shouldn't that be the height shown above?

The Huskies website ... http://www.gohuskies.com/sports/c-track/recaps/053009aab.html ...
... reports that O'Connor cleared a new lifetime PR of 17-7 in the jumpoff ...

Also in the men's vault, senior Jared O'Connor won a jump-off for the fifth and final auto spot, although he was certain of gaining an at-large bid even had he placed sixth. He and UCLA's Johny Quinn went one-on-one at 17-7, and O'Connor cleared the new lifetime-best on his first try, while Quinn knocked the bar down. Unfortunately, junior Ryan Vu looks to be out of the running as he placed 13th overall after an suffering an ankle injury that kept him from making his last allowed attempt. Vu also had a pole snap on him on an earlier attempt.

Which is correct?

Kirk

[pv161]

the jumpoff was run as a seperate event to determine the 5 qualifiers. the original competition marks stand although Jared does get credit for 17'7' since it was still during competition

[rainbowgirl28]

A jump-off for determining a qualifying spot does not affect the actual placing or team scoring in the meet, it is just an administrative jump-off.

The mark from the jump-off is not included in the regular results the way it would be if it had been a jump-off for first.

I am not sure if staticians accept marks from administrative jump-offs for record keeping purposes, they are fairly rare, and even more rare for such a mark to be a personal best.

A good example is USAs two years ago, Jillian and someone else had to jump-off for the qualifying spot. They both end up clearing a few heights, and Jill actually cleared a higher bar than the winner (Jenn Stuczynski) but the mark isn't listed as her result because it was just an administrative jump-off.

[KirkB]

OK, thanks for clarifying the jumpoff rules ... which make sense.

But that still doesn't explain why Jared only got credit for 17-3 during the jumpoff. He won it at 17-7!

Event 45 Men Pole Vault Jump Off
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Name Year School Finals
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Finals
1 Jared O'Connor SR Washington 5.26m 17-03.00
-- Johnny Quinn SO UCLA NH

Should this not read 5.36m 17-07.00?

Pat called me today and told me that Ryan's ankle is only a slight sprain. He had a bit of bad luck yesterday ... after breaking his pole at 5.06, he moved up a pole, stalled out (due to the heavier flex), and landed "safely" in the pit, but with his weight all on his ankles. He should be healthy in time for the NCAA if one of the other 12 qualifiers don't go.

On a personal note ... as a proud Huskie and a proud Canadian ... I offer Ryan my HUGE congratulations! His 5.35 on May 2nd was a new PR ... and ranks him 11th All-Time for Canadians!

Kirk

[pv161]

Jared won the jumpoff at 5.36, just got reported wrong somewhere down the line

[rainbowgirl28]

He should be healthy in time for the NCAA if one of the other 12 qualifiers don't go.

I am not sure if you fully understand how the qualifying works. The top 5 in each region automatically go. Places 6-12 are placed in an at-large pool, along with places 6-12 from the other 3 regions. Then they are ranked in order of season best and picked in that order. The number picked will vary depending on what happens in other events. A set number of athletes go to the whole meet. The more athletes who have qualified in multiple events, the more at-large people get picked across the board.

Ryan placed 13th and is not in the at-large pool. The only way he will get in is if Pat calls up one of the coaches of an athlete who has a mark that is low enough on the list and convinces them to scratch their athlete from the at-large pool.

So it's not an issue of one of the 12 athletes not going, because not all 12 athletes in front of him get to go anyway. It's an issue of who can politic better. Someone scratching means Ryan probably gets picked as an at-large athlete which means someone who performed better at regionals won't get picked.

[KirkB]

OK, you're right ... I didn't understand all those rules. Thanks again.

Kirk