40 time vs. meters per second.

[baggettpv]

Video cam does 30 or 15 frames / second. Find out yours. Then set up markers on the runway, video and playback frame by frame. Count the number of frames then viola.....time for a given distance. Then do the math for meters/second. I have done it many times.....and i am a shop teacher...doh

Rick Baggett
WSTC LLC

[Barto]

Lines across the track or runway can be very beneficial when doing video timing. Markers and cones can be difficult for beginners because of the need to get the right angle on the camera.

my 2 cents

[smokinvaulter1]

Barto thats how we did speed test at KU put a line at 90 and 20 and time it. We never ran full 40's with pole that was an example flying 20 now I was prolly faster with the pole LOL. just playin.

[smokinvaulter1]

Stats
40 4.21
100 10.4h 10.62fat
200 20.92 fat
400 47.64 fat
LJ 24'11''
HJ 6'4"
5'10" 135pounds
not to shabby for a scrony guy.

Need to test that flying 20 and with a pole.

[vault3rb0y]

Stats
40 4.21
100 10.4h 10.62fat
200 20.92 fat
400 47.64 fat
LJ 24'11''
HJ 6'4"
5'10" 135pounds
not to shabby for a scrony guy.

Need to test that flying 20 and with a pole.

thats freakin moving... and i think im fast LOL. Then again im a junior in high school, but as of right now these are my times in those events.

40 4.48
100 11.0 hand time, 11.25 FAT
200 22.7 HT
400 51 HT
LJ 19'11
HJ 5'6
5'9 147 Ibs
Pretty shabby for the vaulting hieghts i want to be at this year, not gonna lie.

[baggettpv]

Smokingvaulter how high you go?
Grip
Over clearance and pole size?

Rick Baggett
WSTC LLC

[smokinvaulter1]

when I jumped 5.55 I was on a 4.90 20.8 or 165 gripping 15'8"
I jumped over 5.40 gripping real close to 16'. More efficent between 15'7" to 15'10" take off at about 4m.

[dj]

hey

my MID chart has meters per second.. required for the height jumped...

check you 6 step "MID" time... takeoff foot to takeoff foot from a video..

let me know if they are pretty close on your best jumps.. or if you are really slow and jump high or really fast and jump low...

for example if your mid is 48' and you cover the last six steps in 1.44 seconds.. you are running approximately 7.7 meter per second.. and my chart says you should jump 15'6" on average.. and grip 14'4"

dj

[ADTF Academy]

A lot of stress gets put on an athletes 40 yard sprint, 30 meter sprint, and overall top speed in meters per second. My question is, how important to a pole vaulter is a 40 yard dash or 30 meter dash compared to ones overall meters/ second speed. What if one person could run the 40 yard dash in 4.3 but only got up to 9 m/sec, compared to someone who has a terrible 40 time, but gets up to 11 m/sec at top speed? It seems to me, acceleration shows athletic ability, but might not necessarily be as useful as top speed for a pole vaulter. any thoughts?

I am shocked no one noticed this.

Ok do the math if your running 9 m/s and you divide that by 40 meters what would be your time if you ran 9 m/s the whole way? 4.4 that does not take into account acceleration factors. You would probably be near 4.6-4.8 or slower depending on your accelerations abilities.

Secondly if you can hit 11 m/s and it takes you 50+ meters to hit your top speed than your approach would be coming from 150 plus feet.

Now here is what I want you to try to do. Go out and run a 50 meter all out sprint. Then give your self short rest (3-4 min tops) and go again and again and again. I will bet after your 3 or 4th one you will be so tired that you won't be able to carry near the same amount of speed.

One of the classic reasons why it is adviced for most young vaulters to go with a shorter approach is that it is in fact a shorter distance and time spent running. At a 100 to 120 feet approach you will be near complete rest after 3 minutes (close to 90%+ recovery of CP system). In most meets even if your the only one left you will get that much rest. ON the other hand if you came from a longer approach even as small as an extra 10 meters your ability to recover for the next jump will decrease.

The second point is as vaulters we are not sprinters per say. For a 100/200 guy or girl that are taught race distribution. They are taught that if you spend all your gas in the first 50 meters than you will die off and fade towards the end. They are taught to drive out to 50+ meters so that they can maintain their top end speed longer.

Jumpers are not the same. It is our goal to get to top end speed and be undercontrol. If you can get to top end speed with a pole or with out one in 30 meters lets say. Why would you want to drag that out to 50 meters. It is pointless as a jumper. As a jumper you should be working on your acceleration abilities. The quicker and stronger you can accelerate the sooner and more powerfully you can reach top end speed.

This is why people look at the 40 when it comes to vaulters/jumpers. It looks at your acceleration abilities and then the last bit at your top end speed. I would be safe to say there are not many vaulters out there over a 45 meter approach. I should probably restate that. There shouldn't be many vaulters out there over a 45 meter appraoch (150 feet). Even a 40 meter approach is getting long for most at 130 feet.


So here is what you can do. Using DJ's charts and others. You can look at lets say a 40.

Break it done so that you have the last 15 meters marked out every 5 meters (cone at 0, 25, 30, 35 and 40) Time each of these spilts while someone else counts steps to each one of these spilts. Next once your determine firstly when you hit your fastest 5 meter spilt you can then go back and break down that 5m spilt even more.

In the end your training to identify at what point you hit top end speed and over what distance and steps. You can then look at DJ's chart and compare where your at. If your way off then you know you need to focus on your acceleration abilities. If you on mark with speed, steps and distance covered than your golden.

Take it to the runway till then practice on getting faster with a pole over the shortest period possible. As long as your in control and sound technically you will put yourself in the best position to excell.

[baggettpv]

Nice!!!!! Post. I have done this timing system for years. Applied to to young long jumpers where you measure jumps with different length of approaches then look for their longest jumps. How far did they come from and why run any farther. Proposed it to many HS Coaches...Some understood.


Rick Baggett
WSTC LLC

[achtungpv]

Had a discussion about this in Reno years ago (maybe '97?) with dj and his brother. I always felt the same thing. If you're moving at 20MPH, whether it's for 10m or 100m, you're hitting your takeoff at 20MPH. I can't remember who, made a good point that it may be more beneficial to hit that speed from the shorter distance since your speed curve will be moving upward when you hit your peak just prior to takeoff instead of a flat curve from maintaining that speed for a longer distance.

[ADTF Academy]

The other interesting thing I find is that most vaulters and coaches like to use the old pharse. SLOW TO FAST!!!!!

What the heck is that. Acceleration by nature is slow to fast, but the goal is to get fast as quickly as possible for jumpers. Putting the thought process of slow to fast in a kids head is worthless.

One of the reasons I feel Altius in his book put the point about the 20/20 drill is that it focuses on quick acceleration.

If you can train your vaulters to correctly accelerate with a pole in there hand from the first movment they make you will find more consistency and higher takeoff velocities.

As it stands if a kid comes from 7 lefts and 3 lefts are spent jogging he only has 4 lefts to get up to speed. Seems like a waste of time to me. So what usually happens someone goes man your not running very fast. the response usually is well I don't feel like I can get up to speed quick enough can I go back to 11 lefts. Then they are so gassed by the time they get there they slow down again.

Never ending battle. Young vaulters perform a full out acceleration into the pit from the first movement you make. If you train the pole carry and acceleration abilities with a pole in your hand. You can still reach top speeds quickly. Will your 40 time be slower probably. But the goal is top speed (m/s) velocity is what goes into the force equation not the distance you come from or the time it takes you to get there.

The question for many young vaulters to ask themselves is this. How do you know unless you check it that your reaching top speed at takeoff. Are you doing everything in your power to reach top controllable speed soon enough or are you simply running. These are vital questions to ask and practice and finally perfect.

A key phrase I made is controllable. Just cause you can run 11 m/s should you? NO, unless you can handle it. A perfect example is long jump sometimes it is better to slow an athlete down if they can not handle the speed at takeoff. The vault is the same way. Not only do you need to train reach top end speed quickly, but also train using that speed you generated.

By the way for future reference I doubt many high school vaulters hit greater than 9.0 m/s with or without a pole. If you do recheck your math and timing system. Cause if you can hit those types of speed and have basic coordination, balance and athletic ability (which you must to hit those speeds) and are going less than 15 feet get a new coach. (no dis to another coach, but thats to much talent to be wasting)