Pole Series from beginner to 11'

[dj]

good morning

any/all programs should invest in at least 6 poles...

12' 100
12' 110
12' 120
12' 130
12' 140
12' 150

every jumper.. male/female ..... should/can use one of these poles and progress to 11'

some from long runs 80'... some from as little as 4 steps..20'

coach the athletes to avoid breakage, keep them in protective cases and protect them from standard/ runway bangs and it could be you cheapest and most important investment...


dj

[science geek]

you would start beginning girls on these poles as well?

[theczar]

what if they are much heavier than 150?

[rainbowgirl28]

I agree with DJ, but I will say that you won't be able to meet the high school weight rating rules for all athletes with that series.

But that's a problem with the weight rating rule, it requires a school to buy more poles for beginners.

[dj]

hey

there are extremes on each end... most beginners will stiff pole early on and can stiff pole with a 9 to 10' grip.. the 100 will work for that.. i have had a beginner...5'9" 160lb guy.. first week... grip the top of the 150.. in practice.. jump 10'6...short run.. develop good technique and vault safe..

off course once you get the jumpers going you will determine the correct pole that fits the rules and the jumper.........

dj

[vault3rb0y]

I think hes saying that for people just getting started, you can move through a few drills with them, and then figure out the right pole to be on after that.

[ladyvolspvcoach]

Here's a case history. I had a lady walkon last year who had never seen a pole before. DJ was here with his list of poles. She is 5'1" and weights 105. She started on the 12' 110. Got her grip up to the top of the pole and moved to the 120. She capped that one and moved to a 13' 120 and capped that one. Now she's on a 13' 130 and capped that one and is blowing through. So, I'll be getting her a 13'7" 130 for the next progression. She progressed very quickly..on DJ's poles.

[Bruce Caldwell]

With Spirit and ESSX you Can fit younger vaulters and they can bend the poles And ESSX has 11'6" Poles in 66, 77, 88, 99, lbs sizes

You are more apt to match weight sizes for beginners by using a 11'6" length poles OR EVEN THE 10' 8" SERIES ESSX Makes
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[Lax PV]

what if they are much heavier than 150?

shorten the girp and runway... and you'll be set. I think that the weight rating system is probably the STUPIDEST method of judging the strength of a pole. They are a basis of reasoning, I'll grant that, but I know plenty of 160 lbs guys that could safely jump on a 12' 150, and woulg get murdered on a 15' 160... but the 160 is OBVIOUSLY the "safer pole" ....grrrrr.... alright I'll stop now...

[master]

The HS weight rating rule does one thing, it makes it illegal for kids to jump on poles below their weight. The reason for it is simple, if a kid jumps on a pole below their weight it is more likely to fail (all other aspects being equal) than a pole at or above their weight. That is a legitimate reason for the rule.

It is then up to the coach to make the appropriate compromise. Unfortunately not all HSs have a sufficient range of poles for that compromise to be the best for jumping high. But the coach's job is first to keep their athletes safe. If that means the vaulter has to "stiff pole" vault for a while longer, so be it. The coach should then keep the focus on developing the fundementals of a good approach run, plant, and take off. When those are adequate in a vaulter, a pole that meets the HS rule requirements will bend and the vaulter will become a flexible pole vaulter. If our athletes know from the beginning that this will be the progression, it will be less disappointing for them.

If your only choice is to go from a 10 lb underweight pole that bends for a vaulter to a 3 foot longer at weight pole, then the obvious conclusion is the vaulter must change his style for that competition from bending to stiff pole vaulting. If that is done, and I contend that is the coach's responsibility to enforce, then the larger pole is the safer pole.

- master (HS coach and Masters vaulter)

[Bruce Caldwell]

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shorten the girp and runway... and you'll be set. I think that the weight rating system is probably the STUPIDEST method of judging the strength of a pole. They are a basis of reasoning, I'll grant that, but I know plenty of 160 lbs guys that could safely jump on a 12' 150, and woulg get murdered on a 15' 160... but the 160 is OBVIOUSLY the "safer pole" ....grrrrr.... alright I'll stop now...

I use the system every day it works learn it
[color=blue][b]The weight system is the only known we can use and even some people do not know how much they weigh.
If you ask any one how high, they hold you get very few honest answers, just as how far are you running down the runway.
All variables that will bend or over bend a pole.
Here is another varible that will over bend or under bend a pole that is not asked when selecting a pole are you confident the pole you are on fits. If you are confident you can transfer energy with out hesitating. If not you will hold back energy transfer one can keep you from bending the poel at all.
If you embrace the system and learn it, you will find it is the easiest way to fit people.

I use the system every day and it works!!


Let me first explain a 15-160 is not a safer pole that a 12’-150 you have left a basic variable out!!

How high does the person vault. And yes there are some people who jump 11’ who could jump on a 150 12’ that should be on 11-160 but they are both the same pole.

THEREFORE, here is what one thinks when I say that why can’t one jump on the 12-150 if a 11-160 is basically the same stiffness.
Because the poles are the same stiffness, but not the same flexibility for their ability is why it is better to use a pole closer to your ability. LENGTH OF THE POLE AND YOUR ABILITY ARE THE SAME.

IF you have a vaulter who cannot get on a 13-150 that weighs 145 chances are, they are not jumping any higher than 13’ AND NEED TO BE ON A 12’4â€Â

[Lax PV]

And I agree with all of that. I really do. I guess we are just used to using flex numbers and things. I 100% agree with your ideas about jumping on a 12'4" 155 rather than the 13' 150 for the situation you described.

I guess I portrayed my idea poorly. The weight rating system is good in some respects, especailly for beginners, and vaulters that you are not familiar with. However, the variablility between poles, made by the same company, are the same length and the same weight rating still exists. This was the point I was getting at.

I believe, and I am used to dealing with more experienced vaulters, that the flex number is more decriptive of what the pole will do, but you are correct in that if I meet some one for the first time I ask them about those variables, to find a pole for them. And I do find the pole based on weight--but when dealing with some of my guys, we know our tendencies and all that, so we go by the flex. Sorry for the confusion.

ps... lifetime competition PR is right in par with what you described... about an 18-19" pushoff