KYLE ELLIS wrote:I can swing up on a pole, highbar, rope without pulling down with my left arm. Petrov doesn't speak of pulling. "It is worth mentioning here that the arrest of the shoulders after the deep penetration ensures the drive of the hips upwards to the pole, through active unbending of the left arm, whereas the acceleration of the vaulter’s hips drive upwards was built up by the turn of the shoulders back and down."
This video I posted nothing in it represents a pull-down with the left arm. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I49VgJG7q_Y
Even on the rope drill you can see that he doesn't pull with his lift until it is time to extend up the pole. There is a swing, which I believe should be done with long levers and a straight body as possible to load the pole and get the hips on-top of a bent pole. Then there is an extension- pull with the left, unbend the pole etc.
I hope there is something I am missing because I agree with everything in the manifesto except the left arm pull.
Lastly if you were to do a straight body swing up on a high bar from a static postion, your arms have to do almost the opposite of pull down in order to get your hips up. If you pull down you end up doing a chin up
Kyle, like the evil Trainman in Matrix, I assembled this "post" and pretty much in control of the words I say and the claims I make. If you are a scientist and can dispute my claims you are welcome to try. But now I have to slap you, ever so slightly sorry. You just don't come at the master with an attitude my friend. If you have a question, word it in a nice, respectful manner then you will not be embarrassed
First of all by "arresting" shoulders you do not mean putting them in jail, right? I think you mean pushing the pole with the left arm, which in fact shortens the rotation of the body/pendulum and yes moves (not drives, what is “drives”?) hips upward faster into the "pocket" that you rocket from Now all that driving of the hips is fine, but this action does not create any new energy at all, but wastes a lot of time out of 1.4 second that you have to do some good work. The video you presented demonstrates that "pocket" from which you hope to rocket. And my friend, in scientific terms there is no such thing as "hips drive upwards was built up by the turn of the shoulders back and down". Shoulders are not a car. They don't turn. And even if they were a car the wheels would turn them. So what wheels, so to speak, are turning shoulders in your world and where? What kind of mambo jumbo language is that?
I have never said that Petrov advocated left arm pull. I do. In my original Manifesto, I mentioned that they, with Bubka, pioneered a unique method of vaulting without, in some cases, realizing what they have actually done and you must remember that they did not have luxury of years of observation. They came right from the old world of pole pushing, getting into pockets and pole riding, so they did not have the precedent or a lingo to be able to describe all that came out of their new method. Petrov, although mentioned what they were trying to do, never had a description of pre-jump (free takeoff) Alan Launder described it first in 1987. I was doing free takeoff myself without having a proper understanding and description, but I found Alan's observation and definition in some ways revolutionary and extremely helpful in pinpointing that phase of the jump. I am just following a natural historic progression my friend and take what they have started a little further.
You are correct, you can swing on the rope or a bar without a pull, but the best you can do, as your video demonstrates, is to get inverted with your hands by your hips. If you do this, so called “rowing” action on the pole, it will get you exactly where the athlete in your video is the POCKET - DEAD END.
I myself and some of the athletes get into a HAND STAND on the bar from the same swing as shown in your video. And I am not talking about “giants” on the bar either, not with that little swing. Have you ever tried this at home? On the rope some of the athletes were able to pull through with hand at the face level not at the hip level. Your video demonstrates a classic dead end of the rowing method. After you get into this position you will ride the unbending pole, by "shooting out of the pocket" right?
Well that’s old news my friend and I have heard it in 1979 first.
Now, say 12 Hail Marys and go watch video of Cornelius Warmerdam on Youtube.